A Symptom of Human Violence – The City E3
A Symptom of Human Violence – The City E3
Episode metadata
- Episode title: A Symptom of Human Violence – The City E3
- Show: BibleProject
- Owner / Host: BibleProject Podcast
- Episode publish date: 2023-05-08
- Episode AI description: Explore the violent escalation of humanity from Cain to Lamech as the podcast dives into biblical narratives. Discover how God's response to this chaos leads to the flood, reflecting the ongoing battle between divine intention and human failure. Cities emerge as symbols of power, grappling with themes of morality and fear, while the duality of technological progress presents both hope and peril. Unpack how the legacy of Cain intertwines good and evil, setting the stage for redemption through Noah, and ponder the complexities of urban life throughout history.
- Duration: 01:14:28
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- Export date: 2025-11-27T20:41:36
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🎧 31:15 - 32:31 (01:16)
- God offered Cain a sign of mercy and protection, but Lamech turned it into a license to kill 77 times over.
- Jesus alluded to the Cain and Lamech story when he spoke about forgiveness and urged his disciples to reverse the spiral of violence.
- Jesus urged his disciples to turn God's protection, forgiveness, and abundance into more abundance and forgiveness.
📚 Transcript
Tim Mackie: and where does he get this seven times 77 times cain was given a sign
Jon Collins: he was given one sign yes
Tim Mackie: and then god said whoever strikes cain i will avenge seven times over okay yep so he's taking what god offered to cain as a gracious gift of mercy and protection and he's turning that into license to kill 77 times over. Yeah. So incidentally, this is surely what Jesus is alluding to when Peter comes to him and says, How often should I forget? Forgive my brother up to seven times. And he says, I tell you, 77 times. He's reversing this. Yeah, he's playing with Peter's use of seven, and then he's alluding to this story. But essentially what he's saying is, my disciples should be the kind of forgiveness people who are about reversing the spiral of violence from Cain to
Jon Collins: Lemmon. Human nature is to take God's protection in abundance and turn it up for their own advantage in a way that just brings violence. And Jesus is saying, take God's protection and forgiveness and abundance and turn it up towards more abundance and
Tim Mackie: forgiveness.
🎧 38:14 - 39:15 (01:00)
- The term 'sons of Elohim' is only used to describe spiritual beings
- Debates have arisen as to whether it refers to human beings or spiritual beings
- The characters in the text take wives as they please, similar to lemak taking as many wives as he wants
- The escalation in the text is believed to go from what Cain did, escalated through seven generations with killing his brother
📚 Transcript
Jon Collins: only ever used only to describe spiritual beings so the argument if this was like the kings from the line of cain you know these little rulers of their own little hamlets yeah taking daughters from the line of seth yeah you would have to say the sons of elohim is just a figure of speech
Tim Mackie: figure of speech and that this one time out of every other time it's used in the Hebrew Bible, it refers to humans. And again, people can have made that case. And there are some parts of that case that is persuasive. But I also think there are other parts that are not persuasive. But we get these characters who are taking wives. And whomever they want, whomever they choose. So at the least, whether you take this to be humans or spiritual beings, they are being set on analogy to Lamech, who takes as many wives as he wants, so to speak. I'm persuaded that the escalation goes from what Cain did, escalated through seven generations. Yep, killing his brother.
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